Jura Mahlsteine austauschen

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Jura Mahlsteine austauschen

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Ausbau der Mahlsteine für alle bauähnlichen Maschinen von Eugster.

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    • Die Mühle liegt offen. Fotografiere die Einstellung, ziehe dann die Achse mit dem Zahnrad des Einstellers mit etwas Kraft nach oben.

    • Auf dem Mahlring befindet sich je nach Modell noch eine Silikondichtung. Zieh sie einfach nach oben ab.

    • Beachte die Werksmarkierungen, hier grün. Das muss zum Schluss wieder so eingestellt werden. Drehe den schwarzen Zahnkranz etwa 90 Grad gegen die Uhr. Damit ist der komplette Mahlring mit Einsatz frei und kann nach oben gezogen werden.

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    • Beim nächsten Schritt vorsichtig sein, damit drei kleinen Federn, Kugeln und Hülsen nicht verloren gehen.

    • Der Mahlkegel ist mit einer langen Torx T20 Schraube befestigt. Der Schraubenkopf ist oft mit Resten von Kaffeebohnen bedeckt. Lege den Kopf frei und drehe die Schraube gegen den Uhrzeigersinn heraus.

    • Nun kann der Bohneneinzug (die kleine weiße Schnecke) entfernt werden. Vorsichtig lässt sich nun auch der Mahlwerkskegel samt Antrieb hochheben.

    Grinder screws are often left-hand screws. I assume this is not the case since it isn’t noted.

    Lisa W -

    Yes, that's true with Jura and others: open it counterclockwise . And you're right: the grinder screws in Saeco machines is left-handed, open it clockwise.

    VauWeh -

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    • Meistens ist die Mühle zugeklebt. Alles muss wieder schön sauber werden, dadurch wird das Aroma des Kaffees wieder gut.

    • Der Filzring um den Antrieb kann mit einer Nadel vorsichtig angehoben und dann gesäubert werden. Das Innere der Mühle kann mit Pinsel und feuchtem Tuch gereinigt werden, der Mitnehmer mit Spülbürste und warmem Wasser. Ordentlich abtrocknen lassen!

    What is your process for cleaning the felt ring once removed from the drive access?

    roger henry -

    I use a damp rag with a little dishwashing liquid. Another option is to simply turn the ring upside down.

    VauWeh -

    Cleaning the felt ring ruined it.

    roger henry -

    Uuu. How did you do that? You can buy it e.g. here.

    VauWeh -

    the water expanded the felt ring and it did not shrink back once dry.

    Can you recommend a parts place in the US to get this felt washer? The link you sent does not show that it would fit the

    Jura ENA4.

    -Roger

    roger henry -

    In this case things are different. Did you really replace the grindstones? Or only clean the device? When my informations are right the ENA 4 is equipped with a "Aroma +" grinder, which means special grindstones, not the normal ones. As far as I know Jura does not sell them separately, only the complete grinder. I think, the felt ring will fit, but I don't know where to buy in the US. I think, the grinder also will work without the ring or cut one of a piece of felt. Good luck!

    VauWeh -

    If you can't find the felt ring, you have a few options, make one, beg the German jura parts seller to sell you one, or search aliexpress for felt ring, felt washer, felt gasket.

    jimmylasvegas -

    Hello. The piece where the springs and ball bearings are housed: where can I buy a replacement, please if you know.

    Thanks

    Farhan Miah -

    Do you mean this one? Don't know, If they ship to your country, ask them.

    VauWeh -

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    • Die beiden kleinen Klinken hineindrücken, dann abwechselnd links und rechts drücken, dann kommt der Deckel heraus

    • Zwei Klammern halten den Ring, einfach wegdrücken, dann ist er frei.

    • Alles wird gereinigt, dann der neue Ring eingedrückt und der Deckel wieder eingeclipst. Damit ist der Mahlring getauscht.

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    • Zuerst den gereinigten Mitnehmer einlegen, dann die drei Hülsen, Federn und Kugeln. Nun den Mahlkegel auf die drei Kugeln passen.

    • Dann die Einzugsschnecke einpassen, Zentralschrauben eindrehen. Beim Eindrehen den Kegel nach unten drücken und darauf achten, dass alles ineinandergreift.

    • Diese Schraube dreht in Kunststoff hinein. Wenn sie nicht richtig greift, geht das Gewinde kaputt. Drehe deswegen zuerst gegen den Uhrzeigersinn, bis du spürst, dass der erste Gewindegang greift. Drehe dann erst fest.

    I think the balls have to go first. That way the middle stone can slip if the grinder is blocked.

    That is also what the exploded diagram that circulates online seems to show.

    Comments appreciated.

    Mark -

    I did this fix many times: the balls are on top oft the springs! They do fit into the corresponding holes in the underside of the cone, as you can clearly see in the picture. If the cone is stopped by e.g. a little stone, the balls come out of the holes saving the motors life.

    VauWeh -

    Thank you for the explanation! It is clear now.

    Mark -

    Everything is in right place

    I push as hard as I can. But it seem the that the screw is turning in the void. I remove all the part to see if the hole was strip , the screw seem to enter firmly

    jason warren -

    In this case I fear, you have to buy a new grinder. Replacing it is straightforward.

    VauWeh -

    i find a bit longer screw and it work but now the black ring is spinning in the void. the black outer ring and the white outer ring are suppose to be turning together ?

    jason warren -

    I have one more spring and ball, that are half a diametr of the rest. Can’t figure out where do they go?

    Aleksandr Sevastjanov -

    Might be the ball and spring beyond the big black gear, makes the “click", when turning it.

    VauWeh -

    Thanks. I followed the steps on the Nivona grinder and replaced the springs and the balls in the exact order. Now the grinder can only grind finely and this is too find for my brewer and hence my espresso machine is clogged. Can anyone see what when wrong after the reassembly?

    haydaru -

    I think the parts don't fit together properly. First: There are three holes on the bottom of the cone that the balls must fit into. Second: at the bottom of the helix are two tabs that must fit into corresponding grooves.

    VauWeh -

    How tight should you screw this screw in? Until it can no longer turn the screw driver?

    roger henry -

    Short answer: yes, not to hard. The screw ist spring loaded and cannot move easily. Be sure that the helix fits.

    VauWeh -

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    • Mahlring einlegen. Das schwarze Zahnrad wird wieder soweit nach rechts gedreht, bis die drei Markierungen fluchten. Dann die Antriebswelle des Einstellers wieder so einsetzen, wie es ursprünglich war

    • Neue Mahlsteine haben aber nicht unbedingt die gleichen Einstellungen wie die alten. Du findest einen guten Anhalt für die Einstellung des Mahlwerks, wenn du zuerst den Einstellring soweit wie möglich nach rechts drehst und dann vierzehn Rasten nach links. Das ist etwa die mittlere Einstellung, die ursprünglich markiert war.

    • Es ist gut zu prüfen, ob das Mahlwerk sich frei dreht. Man kann den Mahlguttrichter entfernen und von der Seite auf die Mahlsteine schauen.

    • Dann die restlichen Teile in umgekehrter Reihenfolge montieren.

    • Du kannst den Mahlgrad schön einstellen, indem du eine leere Klopapierrolle senkrecht auf die offene Mühle stellt und dort ein paar Kaffeebohnen einfüllst. Stecke den Stecker ein (Vorsicht!), wähle eine Tasse Kaffee und beobachte direkt, wie das Kaffeemehl aus der Mühle herauskommt.

    i turn the black gear but the white one doesnt turn any more , they are suppose to turn together?

    jason warren -

    By turning the the black gear the grinder ring moves a little bit up and down and changes the grinder setting. The white ring holding the grinder ring indeed does not move. Or do you mean the big white gear beyond the black one? If the black and the white gears are not connected, press firmly the black gear down, until it clicks in.

    VauWeh -

    i remove a part the black and the white ring, it seem that there was black pin on the black ring that was maybe glue to the white ring ? but it seem broken or unglue , it whitish on the tip like if it was broke

    unless i see nothing that make those 2 ring jam together. maybe i should try to reglue with a dot of epoxy ?

    jason warren -

    Buy a new one, it's cheap! It ist just clicked in. Good luck.

    VauWeh -

    Thanks ! Alot!

    jason warren -

    Super Anleitung. Die neue Mahlsteinen war deutlich anders als die alten. Ich habe die Einstellring so weit wie möglich nach rechst gedreht, dann 14 Zähnen nach links, wie beschrieben. Die Maschine malt jetzt perfect. Danke.

    Joe Crites -

    if you move the ring fourteen clicks back, it means maximum opening or closing of the setting. Hope you understand what I mean. With these fourteen clicks, how to set this adjustment stick

    Jaroslaw Tylutka -

    First turn the ring clockwise so that the grindstones sit tightly on each other. Then open it by turning the ring counterclockwise for fourteen clicks. This is a medium setting. You can do a fine adjusting later. Watch the grinder in action using the toilet-paper-roll method. Good luck!

    VauWeh -

    Ok. Thank you very much.

    Jaroslaw Tylutka -

    I am looking to do the same replacement. The instructions looks great but I cannot find anywhere where to buy the two pieces grinder compatible for a ena micro 1. Any suggestions where I could buy that?

    thomas herby -

    This is indeed difficult. The grinder of the ENA Micro 1 is special. So far I have unfortunately only found the complete grinder, very expensive. (~ 150€). A reason not to buy this model, but that's no use to you anymore.

    VauWeh -

    or a cheaper used one (~70€): https://www.jura-ersatzteile-shop.de/mah...

    VauWeh -

    you can get that on eBay and aliexpress/alibaba. if you like take out the burrs and and measure them and I can tell you if they are the common ones being sold everywhere.

    jimmylasvegas -

    If you mark and line up all the rings as well as the spot on the “coarse -fine” adjuster and return them to the exact position at the end, do you have to bother about turning the clicks counterclockwise at the end.

    Ken Tuerk -

    Well, try it. Normally, everything should work fine and you can check the result on the grind. But the method with the 14 clicks is really simple.

    VauWeh -

    Great video. Ma problem is, there were only one mark on the rings, and I didn't mark the rings. Will the 14 clicks be enough initial adjustmet? Why is part of the black ring raised, and where does it go in relationship to the coffee shute? Thanks for any help

    fred4ernst -

    Did you remove the black ring? If the (green?) mark on the outer white ring is on 12, the middle of the raised part is on 8, as far as I remember. It serves as stop, there is a counterpart in the bean reservoir. Not really important and not in every model. And yes, the 14 clicks work fine. Try the grinder open, putting an empty toilet paper filled with some beans on it.

    VauWeh -

    Thanks for the instructions. It all worked out, but for me it was easier to remove the whole grinder housing (3 screws) in order to remove the top part (step 7).

    Also, before removing the grinder cone and the 3 springs and the 3 balls, a smaller spring and a smaller ball fell off somewhere and I could not figure out where to put them. Again all 3 springs and balls are as you describe but the extra smaller one I left out while re-assembling.

    At the end it is a success, but was curious if you knew where these extra parts are from

    GA376 -

    Sounds like the that's what makes the clicking sound when you adjust the grinder from course to fine.

    If you remove the top, black ring with the gear teeth, you will expose the off white plastic, it has holes all the way around,

    that where the ball and spring go to make that clicking sound. Not a big deal, I misplaced mine and I've been using the grinder

    for a few years now without it. https://www.juraprofi.de/Jura-Ersatzteil...

    jimmylasvegas -

    @jimmylasvegas is right. This ball is the detent for the adjustment of the grinder.

    VauWeh -

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    • Die beiden Bilder sind absolut echt: der Kaffee vor dem Tausch ist dünn und durchsichtig. Danach schwarz und kräftig, er hat mehr Crema. Weitere Einstellungen wurden nicht geändert! Die Reparatur hat sich sehr gelohnt.

    This is very helpful. My question is that when disassembling the unit, a very small ball came loose (not one of the balls under the grinder cone that you flagged). Now my grinder does not adjust for a fine grind so i think the ball was somewhere in the grinder adjustment assembly?

    Thanks

    Jared Rocco -

    Yes. This must be the ball in the grinder adjustment. Have a look to the steps 5 - 7 in the guide for saeco: https://de.ifixit.com/Anleitung/Saeco+Vi..., the grinder is nearly the same. The big black gearwheel can be lifted upwards using a little force and you can see all those little holes - and the ball was sitting under one of them thus keeping the adjuster in position. Hope it helps and you can fix it!

    VauWeh -

    You lost your balls? there’s 2 ball bearings that make the clicking sound as you adjust the grind. I lost both of mine, never found them again. Anyone know what size they are? you can buy new balls at a local bearing store or on alibaba/ebay.

    jimmylasvegas -

    Hello VauWeh,

    I’ve cleaned my grinder and assembled it back. One thing I can’t restore is that grinder adjuster doesn’t click anymore. Could you please advise something that might affect it? The coffee is perfect but the grinder setting doesn’t stay in place. When it grinds, vibration makes it move towards a more coarse setting.

    Poogle Gixel -

    Hello, as I mentioned in my answer dated 18.11.2019, I suppose you lost the ball, which makes the clicking sound and holds the position of the big wheel. Sorry, I don't know a solution for that.

    VauWeh -

    Perhaps the spring and ball for DeLonghi will fit. They are available here.

    VauWeh -

    Another possibility: buy a used grinder, like this one

    VauWeh -

    At least I found it here, indeed the same as DeLonghi. Diameter is 3.2 mm.

    VauWeh -

Abschluss

Arbeite die Schritte in umgekehrter Reihenfolge ab, um dein Gerät wieder zusammenzubauen.

Tinte & Feder

VauWeh

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Thank you for the guide. I have FILL BEANS error, I followed this guide. No problem. But with new burrs, I still have FILL BEANS error. Any idea why? My burrs were not so bad. I only have 2000 espressos on the counter.

jimmylasvegas -

Which model of Jura is it?

VauWeh -

Z5, first generation

jimmylasvegas -

So my guess is the “Fill-Bean-Sensor", consisting in an infrared LED and a photocell. You can see it in the bean funnel on top of the mill. Perhaps you disconnected it while ?

VauWeh -

The fame “fill beans” error is that not enough coffee is entering the brewgroup. I have cleaned the grinder and the chute to the brewgroup. Grinder spins fast. But very little coffee actually go down into the grinder. I have watched several youtube videos on grinder calibration. But no idea. If you use the 2 big espresso cup button, then no error because the grinder runs a longer time. But still not enough coffee for 2 large cups. Just no error.

jimmylasvegas -

I remember this issue, when I forgot to insert the feeding helix…

Did you adjust the grinder as described in step 10? Did you watch the coffee grounds using the empty roll of toilet aper?

VauWeh -

Thanks for helping!

I have check the feeding helix.

I will try the toilet paper tube and see what happens. I have to buy more beans.

jimmylasvegas -

This morning I replaced the grindstones in a J5 and - had the same issue. Fill beans error. Using the toilet paper tube I could see the grinder spinning, but nearly no coffee grounds falling into the brewing unit. So I took off the helix and inserted it again. I'm sure, it was misaligned. There ist a groove in the drive shaft and two taps in the lower end of the helix have to fit in! If this ist not the case, the distance between both grindstones is not correct.

VauWeh -

I have detected the same problem with my Jura today, the mill /grinder is okay, but the “fill beans” keep showing up. I cleaned everything carefully and the mill/grinder is turning but seems to hardly mill any beans…

Retik -

I could fix it easily by reinserting the helix as I described above! Be sure the taps fit in the groove of the drive shaft.

VauWeh -

And: be shure that the beans are dry! Wet beans bake together, and the grinder will not work anymore.

VauWeh -

I have a Jura ENA micro 1 that makes very thin coffee. I followed the steps however now that everything is back together the grinder only runs for a few seconds which is not enough to brew a coffee. I can’t figure out why the grinding time is so short, any idea?

Joseph -

Are you getting any errors? like fill beans? Have you tried turning up the settings to make a stronger espresso? Also fill the bean hopper to the top and test.

jimmylasvegas -

Thanks for the quick response. No error and I use the strongest setting. I ran through a bag of coffee beans and the grinder now runs for 8.5 seconds which is better. The puck still looks a little funky. This machine is so finicky…

Joseph -

Perhaps you should open it and ajust it again. And yes, it's a little bit delicate. Maybe this helps. (In german). I always usw the empty toiletpaper roll for ajusting.

VauWeh -

Thank you VauWeh, the guide was very helpful indeed.

Joseph -

Excellent instructions. Unfortunately, I took things apart first and lost the bearing sleeve before reading steps 5-7. Do you know where I can get a replacement?

J.S. K. -

It’s not a big deal if you can’t find it. Just use some thin tubing, plastic, metal, copper, etc. Check aliexpress and your local hardware store.

Jimmy James -

There are three. Did you really lose all of them? Some grinders are not equipped with bearings.

VauWeh -